Top Talks?

If you nose around the BYU Radio website for a while, you’ll come across a fun little page, with a rather straight-forward title: the Top Talks list, which shows you the most popular Church talks (mostly BYU devotionals) offered for download on the site. There’s both a list for the week so far (the top three as of 3pm EST today were by John Bytheway, President Kimball, and Elder Bednar,) and for all time* (the top three, again as of 3pm EST, were by Elder Bednar, John Bytheway, and Elder Holland.)

But, this list (as fun as it is) suffers from some serious bias, because all it really is, is a ranking by the number of downloads a talk receives — at a minimum, we have to assume that the user base (whose clicks are being counted) is more educated, younger, more American, wealthier, and probably more attached to BYU than the average member of the Church. There’s also a question of self-fulfilling prophecies: the absolute easiest two ways of choosing a talk to listen to are to click on the current week’s most popular talks, or to click on one of the talks from the current month. I’ve contributed clicks to most of those “top” talks, and for no better reason than that they were already popular. In fact, I’ve downloaded some of them twice: once at work (where I get no “real” radio reception, and rely entirely on the internet) and once at home, to stick on my MP3 player. Kind of like Yale Law School, I sometimes wonder if Elder Bednar, Elder Holland, and Brother Bytheway are going to stay on top of that list for no better reason than that they’re already there.

Now, I can think of some ways of making the “Top Talks” page more useful (and sensitive to, at a minimum, the “once a top talk, always a top talk” issue), but I don’t work for BYU Broadcasting, and blogging is more fun if you leave the solution up to commenter participation. So! Given the following constraints, what would be your nominees for a “Top Talks” list?

— The talk should fit into one of the existing categories of BYU Broadcasting talks: something from a church conference, or a church school broadcast. A church agency should own the copyright, basically; it could also be an old church publication that’s now in the public domain, but you get the idea.
— The talk must be available somewhere online right now. That means your favorite article from the Nauvoo Neighbor is ineligible unless you’ve put it out there yourself (or there’s an archive I haven’t found yet.)
— It should also be available in an easy-to-access-and-index-and-link-to format. Yes, the entire original hymnal is indeed available on the BYU libraries website, but only as a collection of high-resolution images. Anything like that, if you really really like it, please transcribe it and put it out there in a .htm or .txt format before linking.
— But, it doesn’t have to be in MP3 format. If it is in MP3 (or other audio) format, it should be the voice of the original speaker. So your Journal of Discourses favorites might be eligible, so long as you’re not linking to a file where your uncle Larry reads it out loud.
— The list should be manageable: I should be able to listen to or read all of them over the course of an easy-going weekend. Think about numbers smaller than 15, basically.

I don’t care if you think your top talks are best suited to members who already own every volume ever printed by Deseret Book (to say nothing of the other guys,) or to recent Seminary graduates, or to Sue and Roger Everymember, though it’d be nice if you shared what your selection criteria were. And I’m not going to put up my own list, because a) I don’t think I can do one that isn’t hopelessly influenced by the most-downloaded list, and b) it’s more fun if you guys do all the hard work.

* – Technically, the scope of the all-time list isn’t clearly defined, but I’m guessing that, assuming about 30 clicks a day for the most popular talk of any given day, you’re looking at something along the lines of two years’ worth of data. This sounds about right, since the service is relatively new. And it doesn’t really matter, when you think about it, because the list is flawed no matter how many weeks’ of data are involved.

10 thoughts on “Top Talks?

  1. Sarah, this is a tough one because there are so many great talks. The ones that occur to me right now are:

    “And Nothing Shall Offend Them” — Elder Bednar, “War and Peace” — President Hinckley. “World Peace” by Elder Oaks.

  2. No comment on specific talks. However I would like to see a change to the “Top Talks” page. How about dividing it into catagories, maybe “Top Talks by GA’s” and Top Talks by Other” type of thing? It would be more useful for those like me that would be happy never hearing a John Bythaway talk ever again.

  3. I’m with jjohnsen about John Bytheway. In fact, I have never been a big fan of people who use the Church as a way to make money.

  4. There is a good list of ‘Best talks’ listed at:

    Zion’s Best

    They say the list is based on talks most discussed on the internet, but not sure how they measured it.

    (I tried to make this a link).

    I edited your link for you, Eric. – Sarah

  5. There’s a talk by John Marshall that I’ve shared a lot. It’s about perfection. I’ll have to look for it.

  6. jjohnsen (and anyone else with constructive criticism for the BYU Radio/Broadcasting staff):

    They are extraordinarily cooperative and responsive when you email them. Seriously, I sent them a note about how they kept playing the same GA talks every two weeks, and I got a reply in less than 48 hours. They’re also on the relatively short list of websites which provide not only a mailing address but a phone number as well, right on the main “contact us” page.

    Re: Zion’s Best — I don’t know what method he used, but the website is owned by John Redelfs.

    Ann: There’s a Jack Marshall who’s done a lot of talks (including the enormously popular “Keeping Perspective When a Child Strays” (audio only)), but I don’t see a John Marshall on the BYU talks list — at least, not on the first few pages. And the BYU General Conference index doesn’t show any talks by anyone named Marshall. Could you mean Jack Marshall?

    Everyone: So far we have a rather short list, contributed entirely by Geoff:

    And Nothing Shall Offend Them” — Elder Bednar (audio)
    War and Peace” — President Hinckley (audio)
    World Peace” — Elder Oaks (no audio)

    Any other suggestions? My MP3 player has a nice vacant spot now…

  7. Here are some of my top 10.

    Russell M. Nelson, “Reverence for Life,” Ensign, May 1985

    Landmark address and perhaps one of the only assigned talks in General Conference History.

    Boyd K. Packer, “The Candle of the Lord,” Ensign, Jan 1983

    What revelation tastes like.

    Boyd K. Packer, “The Relief Society,” Ensign, May 1998

    “When you state a rule and include the exception in the same sentence, the exception is accepted first.”

    “Weightier Matters” Dallin H. Oaks BYU devotional 9 February 1999
    http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6647

    Oaks at his persuasive best

    Margaret Barker (20 minutes) response to Terryl L. Givens, “Joseph Smith: Prophecy, Process, and Plentitude” at The Worlds of Joseph Smith
    http://lds.org/library/display/0,4945,510-1-3067-1,00.html

    You will want to recreate the standing ovation this Methodist scholar received after listening.

    “Lightning Out of Heaven”: Joseph Smith and the Forging of Community Terryl L. Givens
    http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=10924
    Best. BYU Devotional. Ever

    Dennis E. Simmons, “But If Not …,” Ensign, May 2004
    Maintaining faith though disappointed

  8. I wouldn’t worry too much about finding the best talks. There is plenty of good stuff, and it’s a bit like listening to an album of a group you like; you’d be missing something if you never heard the second tier songs that were never hits on the radio.

    Go to speeches.byu.edu and just pick a few that sound interesting. Here’s one I like:
    “Tragedy or Destiny”, Spencer Kimball, 1955. This is pre-throat operation and an interesting meditation.
    speeches.byu.edu/?act=viewitem&id=702&tid=2

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