I think it’s safe to say that most people in the United States, especially Latter-day Saints, understand and can explain the ideology and politics of the modern-day left and traditional establishment Republicans. Our culture has done a very good job of promoting these ideologies and making them mainstream.
But I am constantly amazed at how many people have no clue of the ideology and ideas of Trump supporters, who are usually portrayed as racists, ignorant hicks, etc. Now to be clear, I am not a typical Trump supporter — I am a liberty Republican and I disagree with about half of the positions of Trump supporters. To see what I mean, please read this post.
But I can explain the positions of the typical Trump supporter, unlike most intellectual latter-day Saints who it seems really do not have a clue.
In the spirit of trying to explain Trump supporters’ response to the 2020 election from a charitable position, I link this series of Twitter posts, which does the best job I have ever seen of providing important details. Note to readers: this post is intended to provide another point of view to most readers here. This post is not yet another chance for you to virtue signal about how much you hate Trump, how much he has ruined the Republican party, etc, etc. I am encouraging people to read this so they can understand what other people believe. Once you have an understanding, perhaps you will have more charity. If you are not interested in understanding what Trump voters believe, I would encourage you to go read something else and ignore this post.
The Twitter feed starts here:
I think I’ve had discussions w/enough Boomer-tier Trump supporters who believe the 2020 election was fraudulent to extract a general theory about their perspective. It is also the perspective of most of the people at the Capitol on 1/6, and probably even Trump himself. 1/x
Most believe some or all of the theories involving midnight ballots, voting machines, etc, but what you find when you talk to them is that, while they’ll defend those positions w/info they got from Hannity or Breitbart or whatever, they’re not particularly attached to them. 2/x
Here are the facts – actual, confirmed facts – that shape their perspective: 1) The FBI/etc spied on the 2016 Trump campaign using evidence manufactured by the Clinton campaign. We now know that all involved knew it was fake from Day 1 (see: Brennan’s July 2016 memo, etc). 3/x
These are Tea Party people. The types who give their kids a pocket Constitution for their birthday and have Founding Fathers memes in their bios. The intel community spying on a presidential campaign using fake evidence (incl forged documents) is a big deal to them. 4/x
Everyone involved lied about their involvement as long as they could. We only learned the DNC paid for the manufactured evidence because of a court order. Comey denied on TV knowing the DNC paid for it, when we have emails from a year earlier proving that he knew. 5/x
This was true with everyone, from CIA Dir Brennan & Adam Schiff – who were on TV saying they’d seen clear evidence of collusion w/Russia, while admitting under oath behind closed doors that they hadn’t – all the way down the line. In the end we learned that it was ALL fake. 6/x
At first, many Trump ppl were worried there must be some collusion, because every media & intel agency wouldn’t make it up out of nothing. When it was clear that they had made it up, people expected a reckoning, and shed many illusions about their gov’t when it didn’t happen. 7/x
We know as fact: a) The Steele dossier was the sole evidence used to justify spying on the Trump campaign, b) The FBI knew the Steele dossier was a DNC op, c) Steele’s source told the FBI the info was unserious, d) they did not inform the court of any of this and kept spying. 8/x
Trump supporters know the collusion case front and back. They went from worrying the collusion must be real, to suspecting it might be fake, to realizing it was a scam, then watched as every institution – agencies, the press, Congress, academia – gaslit them for another year. 9/x
Worse, collusion was used to scare people away from working in the administration. They knew their entire lives would be investigated. Many quit because they were being bankrupted by legal fees. The DoJ, press, & gov’t destroyed lives and actively subverted an elected admin. 10/x
This is where people whose political identity was largely defined by a naive belief in what they learned in Civics class began to see the outline of a Regime that crossed all institutional boundaries. Because it had stepped out of the shadows to unite against an interloper. 11/x
GOP propaganda still has many of them thinking in terms of partisan binaries, but A LOT of Trump supporters see that the Regime is not partisan. They all know that the same institutions would have taken opposite sides if it was a Tulsi Gabbard vs Jeb Bush election. 12/x
It’s hard to describe to people on the left (who are used to thinking of gov’t as a conspiracy… Watergate, COINTELPRO, WMD, etc) how shocking & disillusioning this was for people who encourage their sons to enlist in the Army, and hate ppl who don’t stand for the Anthem. 13/x
They could have managed the shock if it only involved the government. But the behavior of the corporate press is really what radicalized them. They hate journalists more than they hate any politician or gov’t official, because they feel most betrayed by them. 14/x
The idea that the press is driven by ratings/sensationalism became untenable. If that were true, they’d be all over the Epstein story. The corporate press is the propaganda arm of the Regime they now see in outline. Nothing anyone says will ever make them unsee that, period. 15/x
This is profoundly disorienting. Many of them don’t know for certain whether ballots were faked in November 2020, but they know for absolute certain that the press, the FBI, etc would lie to them if there was. They have every reason to believe that, and it’s probably true. 16/x
They watched the press behave like animals for four years. Tens of millions of people will always see Kavanaugh as a gang rapist, based on nothing, because of CNN. And CNN seems proud of that. They led a lynch mob against a high school kid. They cheered on a summer of riots. 17/x
They always claimed the media had liberal bias, fine, whatever. They still thought the press would admit truth if they were cornered. Now they don’t. It’s a different thing to watch them invent stories whole cloth in order to destroy regular lives and spark mass violence. 18/x
Time Mag told us that during the 2020 riots, there were weekly conference calls involving, among others, leaders of the protests, the local officials who refused to stop them, and media people who framed them for political effect. In Ukraine we call that a color revolution. 19/x
Throughout the summer, Democrat governors took advantage of COVID to change voting procedures. It wasn’t just the mail-ins (they lowered signature matching standards, etc). After the collusion scam, the fake impeachment, Trump ppl expected shenanigans by now. 20/x
Re: “fake impeachment”, we now know that Trump’s request for Ukraine to cooperate w/the DOJ regarding Biden’s $ activities in Ukraine was in support of an active investigation being pursued by the FBI and Ukraine AG at the time, and so a completely legitimate request. 21/x
Then you get the Hunter laptop scandal. Big Tech ran a full-on censorship campaign against a major newspaper to protect a political candidate. Period. Everyone knows it, all of the Tech companies now admit it was a “mistake” – but, ya know, the election’s over, so who cares? 22/x
Goes w/o saying, but: If the NY Times had Don Jr’s laptop, full of pics of him smoking crack and engaging in group sex, lots of lurid family drama, emails describing direct corruption and backed up by the CEO of the company they were using, the NYT wouldn’t have been banned. 23/x
Think back: Stories about Trump being pissed on by Russian prostitutes and blackmailed by Putin were promoted as fact, and the only evidence was a document paid for by his opposition and disavowed by its source. The NY Post was banned for reporting on true information. 24/x
The reaction of Trump ppl to all this was not, “no fair!” That’s how they felt about Romney’s “binders of women” in 2012. This is different. Now they see, correctly, that every institution is captured by ppl who will use any means to exclude them from the political process. 25/x
And yet they showed up in record numbers to vote. He got 13m more votes than in 2016, 10m more than Clinton got! As election night dragged on, they allowed themselves some hope. But when the four critical swing states (and only those states) went dark at midnight, they knew. 26/x
Over the ensuing weeks, they got shuffled around by grifters and media scam artists selling them conspiracy theories. They latched onto one, then another increasingly absurd theory as they tried to put a concrete name on something very real. 27/x
Media & Tech did everything to make things worse. Everything about the election was strange – the changes to procedure, unprecedented mail-in voting, the delays, etc – but rather than admit that and make everything transparent, they banned discussion of it (even in DMs!). 28/x
Everyone knows that, just as Don Jr’s laptop would’ve been the story of the century, if everything about the election dispute was the same, except the parties were reversed, suspicions about the outcome would’ve been Taken Very Seriously. See 2016 for proof. 29/x
Even the courts’ refusal of the case gets nowhere w/them, because of how the opposition embraced mass political violence. They’ll say, w/good reason: What judge will stick his neck out for Trump knowing he’ll be destroyed in the media as a violent mob burns down his house? 30/x
It’s a fact, according to Time Magazine, that mass riots were planned in cities across the country if Trump won. Sure, they were “protests”, but they were planned by the same people as during the summer, and everyone knows what it would have meant. Judges have families, too. 31/x
Forget the ballot conspiracies. It’s a fact that governors used COVID to unconstitutionally alter election procedures (the Constitution states that only legislatures can do so) to help Biden to make up for a massive enthusiasm gap by gaming the mail-in ballot system. 32/x
They knew it was unconstitutional, it’s right there in plain English. But they knew the cases wouldn’t see court until after the election. And what judge will toss millions of ballots because a governor broke the rules? The threat of mass riots wasn’t implied, it was direct. 33/x
a) The entrenched bureaucracy & security state subverted Trump from Day 1, b) The press is part of the operation, c) Election rules were changed, d) Big Tech censors opposition, e) Political violence is legitimized & encouraged, f) Trump is banned from social media. 34/x
They were led down some rabbit holes, but they are absolutely right that their gov’t is monopolized by a Regime that believes they are beneath representation, and will observe no limits to keep them getting it. Trump fans should be happy he lost; it might’ve kept him alive. /end
If you have read this far, I want to re-emphasize the point of this post. This is not intended to convince you, Mr. or Mrs. Trump hater, that Trump is somehow awesome. Personally, I don’t think he is awesome and I am relieved I no longer have to see him in the White House (although Biden is even worse, in my opinion, but that is another story. Yes, you can dislike BOTH choices from the major parties). The point of this post is to help you understand the thought processes of the people who supported Trump and still support him today. If you come away from this post trying to argue with one detail or another from the above, you have missed the point. The point is to help you understand, not necessarily to cause you to agree.
I felt like the author expressed my frustrations about the 2020 election perfectly with this twitter thread.
This Twitter thread is remarkably well done. So glad you shared it, so I can share it. Thank you!
When I was in the first year of my Ph.D. program one professor asked to see any past textbooks on statistics the students had. He was interested in seeing if there were any he hadn’t seen. I happened to have one that he had not yet seen so I gave it to him to review. He returned it the following week and simply said: “There are an amazing number of untruths in that book.”
Part of the difficulty our country faces at the moment is that there truly is very little shared “reality” any more. I have no idea how to address the problem, but I believe our current political, social, and even many religious systems/organizations tend to promote such divergent “realities”.
It’s sad how the media described the Trump White House and Administration as completely dysfunctional and erratic from the very beginning in 2017–maybe it was at times. President Trump wanted to do it his way, not the same old RINO way. But look at what we have now! Whoever is running the current show, it’s not Biden or Harris (and I’m sure the intrigues and power games between factions of the Democrat Party are numerous and complex). If you are a “liberal” member of the Church, participate and try very hard to drain the swamp of that party. I think James E. Faust was a Democrat. What would he think of the Party in 2021? Biden was corrupt, he is now a senile puppet. Harris is grossly incompetent. The Democrats marketed an image. Only a seemingly kind, calmer, calming “grandpa could beat fiery Donald Trump. Harris was the race card, nothing more. The marketing worked plus a few dirty tricks.
There are many swamps to drain in Babylon, for sure, even in the Republican Party. Trump is now a known quantity, politically (right?). I believe he grew in the office and attracted many good people. I would feel very comfortable around the people who attend Trump rallies. I attended a pro law enforcement rally in Seattle and a rally for the Republican gubernatorial candidate in Washington State. Racially and socially diverse, patriotic, they were not white supremacist or hateful rallies as the left would portray. Proud Boys types on the right need to be denounced as much as Antifa on the left.
I believe that the conservative movement is healthy and gaining momentum. If agendas are in line with gospel doctrine, we must fight for them. Next time the Republicans want a Ted Cruz, some primary candidates must drop out sooner. But Trump will run again, I believe.
JSH, I am going to point out that the media’s business model is to promote outrage and hatred so that media organizations can get more clicks. We know that is true and we know that algorithms are set up with that in mind. It seems obvious to me that in such an environment we should be extremely skeptical of a lot of the information we see.
“Personally, I don’t think he is awesome and I am relieved I no longer have to see him in the White House…”
I agree with you. Like on the Supreme Court, where two justices have heard all the evidence and agree on the outcome even if they aren’t perfectly aligned on the rationale, I concur in judgment.