M* Interviews: Newsweek Journalist Elise Soukup

Elise Soukup works as an Assistant Editor for Newsweek Magazine. She recently authored a cover story on the LDS Church and Joseph Smith for the magazine, titled
Mormon Odyssey. You can buy the issue at newstands everywhere. Elise is an active member of the Church, and lives in Manhattan.

First of all, congratulations on such a visible accomplishment in journalism. How did it feel to find out you’d be writing the Newsweek cover, and have things gotten any busier since then?

Thank you very much. I can say that this has been a particularly crazy week; I’m not usually scheduling my day around radio–and Mormon blog–interviews.


Since the article was published, what kinds of reactions have you heard from Mormons in general? Any response from the Church, officially or un-? Any Evangelical backlash?

Oh, I’ve gotten angry letters on both sides, as you might imagine. Some Mormons say that I misrepresented the facts to make Smith look like a scoundrel; some non-Mormons think I was too soft on the church. Moroni told Smith that his name should be had for good and evil–and I’m beginning to understand what that feels like! But I’ve gotten a lot of positive responses as well. The church released this statement:

The depiction of the First Vision on the cover of one of the world’s best-known news magazines is a noteworthy acknowledgment of Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Restoration at the approach of his 200th birthday. We appreciate Newsweek’s effort to bring this remarkable story and its implications to the attention of their readers. It was said of Joseph Smith that his name would be known for good and evil throughout the world. While people will debate and quibble over some of the details and interpretations in the magazine, the Newsweek articles are another indication of the increasing recognition of the unparalleled contributions of this extraordinary man to our understanding of God’s plan for His children.

I don’t know about the Evangelical reaction because people don’t usually disclose their religion when they write in.

What can you tell us about how this story originated? Rumor has it the story was your idea– how did you pitch it? How hard a sell was it, given Newsweek’s other fairly recent coverage of the Church?

You’re right. I pitched the idea. Being LDS myself, I knew that it was the 200th anniversary of Smith’s birth. I think that Smith is such a fascinating person–and not just to Mormons. Not only did he found a new and growing religion, but he had such an eventful life: he ran for president, had multiple wives and was shot by an angry mob while jailed. The response from my editors about the article was always positive. They were pleased with the 2001 story from the Olympics, so I didn’t meet resistance when I pitched the Smith idea.

Did you find it a challenge to make Joseph Smith appear relevant to your readers?

No, I really didn’t. He was born 200 years ago, but I think his story still resonates with people today. That part of the job was easy.

In your live talk, you mentioned several things that didn’t make the article– such as conversations with Grant Palmer and Jan Shipps– partially because the topics discussed were too “inside baseball”. Any interesting unpublished tidbits from your research that you’d share with a well-read Mormon audience?

Hmmm… good question. I like to think that I put the most exciting and relevant responses in! But you’re right–there were things that I and my editors chose to leave out because of space or because, as I stated above, they were too “inside baseball.” For the first reason, I’m not going to go into all of those here. But I will tell you that my initial, unedited, way-too-long draft included discussion of issues raised in Palmer’s book “An Insiders View of Mormon Origins,” questions about Smith’s translating abilities and the LDS response (the Egyptian papyri, the Kinderhook plates, etc.), a discussion of blacks and the priesthood and more about polygamy. I never even tried to sneak this in, but I did get to see Elvis’ Book of Mormon at the church archives. (Well, they believe it to be Elvis’, but have never really authenticated that claim.) I got a huge kick out of that.

Would you comment on your experience interviewing President Hinckley and other Apostles? You mentioned in the Deseret News that you found it a bit awkward to ask the tough questions of your spiritual leader. Given his P.R. background, I expect he understood your position, but I’d love to know how you and he navigated the conversation.

Oh, he was very understanding. I think the only awkwardness came from me! It’s just a little scary to walk into a room and ask your spiritual leader if, for example, his revelations are “convenient.” But he didn’t shy from any of the questions. Neither did Elder Oaks or Elder Holland and I really hit them with the hardest ones.

I was impressed with your response to one reader who questioned your objectivity based on your membership in the church. You mentioned that writers often write about what they know- including the gay author of a recent issue’s cover story about gay teens. I’d be interested in hearing you flesh out your take on why that has been a criticism. Do you wonder if this focus on your objectivity would be brought up if it were a Catholic or Jewish writer writing about their respective religions?

I don’t want to speculate about that. I will only say that I had several senior editors work with me all along the way and none of them were Mormon. None of us tried to make the article “positive” or “negative.” I’d say that we were respectful and tried to outline the controversial issues in an even-handed way.

You closed your article with a side of Mormonism that is often missed in this kind of piece– the social network, the meals for new mothers, help with moving, and home teaching. Faced with cutting out many paragraphs of more sexy/controversial material, what made you feel like this was important enough to make it into the final cut?

Are you saying that visiting teaching //isn’t// sexy? But your question is a good one. As you mention, the Relief Society organizing meals for new mothers isn’t the kind of thing that is usually mentioned by the mainstream press. But I think that kind of institutional service is genuinely interesting to people not of the faith. But with that said, when I initial wrote the final draft, I left that part out because there was so little space. Right before it went to press, a top editor had the designers re-work the layout to make room for it because he felt it was important to note.

What’s the best new thing you learned about Joseph Smith?

Oh, everything. Before I came to this project, I didn’t know much about him at all. I knew the basics, but I was hardly a church history buff. I’d say that the most interesting insight that I gained is one that Richard Bushman discusses in his new book, “Rough Stone Rolling.” And that is that Smith didn’t have a grand vision of the way his life and faith would go all at once. He worked at it; he struggled with it. Being a prophet was never easy for him. I very much like that more human portrayal of him.

Finally, have you ever spent any time in the Mormon Blog world?

Yes, cruising the bloggernacle is one of my guilty pleasures. I won’t name the ones that I keep my eye on, but I will say this: not many of them linked to my article! (But it’s not too late!) You guys not only linked to it, but you were the first to do so. And yes, I saw that you were trying to track me down, Ryan. I admire your perseverance.

Yes, well, I dare say my perseverance has to be the most impressive thing going on in ‘journalism-by-Mormons’ this week. : ) Thanks so much for your very interesting thoughts, Elise.

29 thoughts on “M* Interviews: Newsweek Journalist Elise Soukup

  1. Great interview, Ryan, and congratulations to you, Elise, for an excellent article.

  2. Thank you for that interview, Ryan. And thank you for the excellent article, Elise.

  3. When I went to get the issue, the next week was already on the stand… any idea where to get a copy?

  4. I enjoyed the article, Elise, and thought you did a good job. And I was curious about these things, Ryan, so I also appreciate this interview. Kudos all around.

  5. Tracy, it depends on where you live. Every bookseller and newsstand in Salt Lake City was completely sold out last week. But there are plenty outlets that keep a few weeks worth of the news weeklies on hand. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems like most book stores will have recent issues of Newsweek available, even if they’re no longer the most current issue.

  6. Bien fait. Nice scoop as well. For one that is “hardly a church history buff,” Elise threw down on her reading. Bushman, yes, but also Palmer and Shipps. Any Vogel or Quinn?

    “Yes, cruising the bloggernacle is one of my guilty pleasures.”

    Welcome to the club.

  7. Tracy, I have a copy, autographed by the author, that I’ll let go for $100. Elise can vouch for the authenticity of her signature.

  8. In the Saturday night adult session of stake conference over the weekend, the visiting General Authority mentioned the piece in Newsweek, and sang highest praises to the article and its author.

    Thank you Elise Soukup for authoring a great article.

  9. Ryan, great interview, I can’t wait to get my hands on the article.

    I’m curious to know what contribution your NYC connection, Davis, made in getting this interview?

  10. “Of course except for the Mormon ones. “

    Where’s your proof? People go on the internet and feel like they can say anything.

  11. He did, and I think it’s funny and I think it has to make this post even more rewarding for you đŸ™‚

  12. Ryan and Andrea–

    No inside jokes! Those are worse than secret combinations!

  13. Julie, Andrea is referring to Davis’ complete dissmissiveness of the possibility of my getting Elise to do an interview for us. Apparently, she’s not nearly as stuffy or stuck-up as he thinks she is.

  14. Here’s the joke: Ryan hasn’t had any ideas for posts lately, so he asked me for some. I gave him this idea, wrote the questions, contacted Elise, and then let him post it. That’s it.

  15. Great interview. And great article, Elise. (I subscribe to Newsweek, but I first noticed it on the web via Greg’s link on the T&S sidebar). It’s been the topic of conversation with a few church members recently — everyone knows about it, and everyone is talking about it.

  16. Where’s your proof? People go on the internet and feel like they can say anything.

    Huh? Adam, I was just responding to Geoff B’s gratitude for having a Mormon among the mainstream media. We should all be grateful because without those honest Mormons the big conspiracy will lead the nation astray.

    [Editor’s note: Mr. Greenwood wishes to clarify that he was joking.]

  17. Great interview! I am glad to see that Elise has finally made it into the mainstream Mormon media after toiling away in the relative obscurity of Newsweek.

  18. Can you really call these M* lunatics mainstream? When Soukup lands a Times and Seasons gig, then she’s arrived. Otherwise, tinkling brass.

  19. The Newsweek article provides absolutely no evidence for its assertion that the Mormon church is a “booming faith.”

    Although I have not attended the Mormon church for over 30 years, they still consider me an active member. The membership numbers that the church gives are crazy. The numbers don’t reflect who many believe actually believe in the church or attend church. The church leaves every baptized person on theirmembership list unless you fight and fight to get your name removed. What kind of crazy religion is that?

    Recently, I called the membership department in SLC and asked to have my name removed. They actually refused to remove my name from their membership list. (this is freedom of religion?) The church insisted that to get my name off, I had to send a letter with my signature. So I did. They received my letter over three months and sent me a brochure: “please come back.” I wrote again and again asked to have my name removed. No removal. Instread two men that I have never met dropped by our house to talk over the spiritual consequences of removing my name. I explained that despite their personal testimonies I wanted my name out of the church membership list for doctrinal reasons. (I have researched the church well and don’t believe that it is the only true church.) I have still not received a removal. No wonder there numbers are “booming;” the church never lets anyone out.

    I would be very interested in some accurate numbers of church membership that would reflect what the church membership actually. I doubt that it is booming and I’d challenge Newsweek to back up that claim with any evidence.

  20. Irritated, perhaps you should post your story in the comments section of a blog and see if that gets the ball rolling. Hope this helps.

  21. lolololol, gst.

    Irritated, my suggestion is that you subscribe to Dialogue and Sunstone, and start a local Gospel study discussion. That should take care of it.

  22. Irritated:

    The “booming” description was more a reflection of the yearly baptism numbers than of the total numbers in the church. It is not at all wrong to claim that the church is one of the, if not the, fastest growing church in the US. I would venture to say that for every person who leaves or wants to leave the church, like yourself… there are thousands more that join, like me.

    I don’t argue your point that the numbers of church membership are inflated because of inactivity but that still does not take away from the fact that thousands are baptized each year- not counting 8 year olds.

    ~Buzz

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